Ahmed Deedat – The Quran or The Bible: Which is God’s Word?

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14 Responses to “ Ahmed Deedat – The Quran or The Bible: Which is God’s Word? ”

  1. Ayaz Ud-Din says:

    Sallam my brothers and sisters,may the peace and blessings of Allah(swt) be on all of you.I just want to say that Ahmed Deedat has changed my life for me,and because of him i am now a speaker on islam and i want to share the Deen Ul-Huq(Religion of Truth) with Humanity

  2. Halid says:

    Answer to brother´s Ayaz Ud-Din´s qonqlusions:

    Waalejkumus Selam wa… Dear brother, no leaf from the tree fall down except with Allah´s knowledge, no harm or good happend except with His permishion; when we except this and belive in it- we can not say somebody else changed my life – except Allah s.v.t.a, but we can say he did it throw Ahmed Didat, we all are tools in His hands, like a pen in our hand- the pen is writing because of us not because of itself, pen is only tool of our action …this example is from Mevlana Jelalud Din or Mevlana Rumi great Islamic poet who wrote “Masnavie Maánavi”.

  3. Abdul khalid says:

    I want say honestly both Quran and the Bible are the words of God,but Bible is not the real Bible it changed and the words were changed because Juses never said I am God, Son of God He himself worshiped the God( God never worship God).

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  6. Clear says:

    I just want to say that if i have to accept Islam,i have to believe that all the previous revelations were corrupted and only God guarded the last Book.but when we see ,it says that he sent 1024 and 343 messengers before.Do you mean that all these prophets are fools in the sight of God?Or else do you define God’s character in this Way?

    But in bible there are 66 books,covering all the previous prophets revelations.never was there any complaint that those were corrupted,not even jesus said that they were corrupted.In fact Jesus said that until heavens and earth pass away,not even one jot or tittle shall pass away.Also he added his words will never pass away.Jesus is not a Liar,and Quran cannot be a revelation from the same God of the bible.

  7. Reply to Clear says:

    Muslims believe that all the Prophets sent to nations were sending down the message of believing that there is no God but Allah. Each prophet had different methods of doing this according to the situation of their people. For example, Musa (Moses), peace be upon him, freed the Israelite from the Egyptians and was revealed the Torah to them. However, it wasn’t Musa who corrupted the Torah, rather it was the generations of Israelites that took out and wrote parts in the Torah as they pleased. Allah says in Surah al-Baqarah, “O Children of Isra’il (the Israelites), remember My blessing that I conferred upon you, and fulfil the covenant with Me, so I fulfil your covenant, and have awe of Me alone. And have faith in what I have revealed, confirming what is already with you, and do not be the first to deny it, nor take a paltry price for My signs. And fear Me alone. And do not confound truth with falsehood, and do not hide the truth when you know.” (42).

    Eventually, even though many prophets were sent to the Children of Israel, they refused to listen. Isa (Jesus), peace be upon him, then revealed the Injeel (Gospel) to the people. After he assended to heaven, the Bible was rewritten and revised. If you ask a person which version of the Bible does he use? King James, Revised Standard, Catholic? It is a HISTORICAL FACT that the Bible is not in its original form. That is evidence alone that previous revelations were corrupted. If that is the case with THE MOST RECENT PROPHET what is there to say of the previous prophets?

    We can’t try to presume or interpret why Allah allowed certain things in history to happen. It is in His divine wisdom. So why He allowed previous revelations to be corrupted is in His knowledge. However, the Quran was sent to all of humanity for all of times as opposed to previous revelations which were only sent to a certain nation for a certain period of time. The Bible refers to, “The Children of Israel” all the time, but the Quran states, “Oh Children of Adam” (including ALL of humanity) and only refers to “The Children of Israel” when stating something that we should learn from the past. For that reason Allah willed for the Quran to be preserved in its original form. It is also testimony to the Muslim ummah. The Ummah is of such quality that Allah no longer needed to send more Prophets because he trusted that this Ummah would carry on the message appropriately without corruption. Though there would be attempts of corrupting the message Allah would always send revivers to bring the message back.

    Answered by members of Young Muslim (http://ymsite.com/home/)

  8. Alioune says:

    Dear Clear:
    Indeed the Quran is a revelation from the same God of Adam, Nooh, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad(Peace Be Upon Them), in fact The Only God (what means Allah btw). You need to understand when we say the revelation of previous messengers are corrupted it means humans at that time did not preserve it well and most of the time they added things that was not from the revelation.
    You mentioned the bible, but do you know that it was written by historians well after Jesus(pbuh), and Jesus (pbuh) never never never validate that all you have in this bible in our time is all from God.
    In fact the Injil (Gospels) mentioned in the Quran is the true revelation that Jesus (pbuh) taught to his people at that time, and sometimes people used to take notes and over time these notes get corrupted because people added things, modified or removed others and after that they mixed it with narrations of historians. And nowadays we discover that the oldest manuscript of one Gospel in your bible was written at least between 60 and 100 after Jesus (pbuh) so he could not be a contemporary of Jesus (pbuh) and so we can not be sure that what he wrote is 100% safe, and that’s the case of the rest of the bible written 1,2 or 3 century after Jesus (pbuh).
    About the Quran, it was revealed gradually, and companions of the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) learned it by heart so that they can guarantee its preservation. And still today, tons of muslims learn the Quran by heart all over the world, so if one letter of it is changed or corrupted we will know it.
    Pick up a Quran and read it, you will find too stories of some previous prophets.

  9. Analyze says:

    Dear Alioune,

    Difference between Muslims and Christians and their faiths is this:
    1)Christians believe and respect all the prophets from the beginning and the books they wrote with the inspiration of God and we protected them and we included all of them in our bible and answer any allegations towards them.

    -> Muslims speak about all the previous prophets as though they have respect and they believe God sent books to them,but they undoubtely believe that All the books are corrupted except Quran and attack all the books of the previous prophets.

    2)Christians have to defend all the previous prophets books (40+ prophets),believing that God is trustworthy and he is allpowerfull and he is just and not partial as he looks towards all the prophets equally and believe that he has guarded all.So we are defending a book written 4000yrs before i.e; Torah.

    ->Muslims have to defend only the book of 1 prophet Muhammad for any allegations,because according to them all the previous prophets are fools as Allah thought it not to preserve all of them.Only Muhammad is the Rocker.

    So more burden on christians rather than muslims as we doesnt agree that God’s word is corrupted and we answer any allegations against all the prophets which God previously sent,which includes 66 books.
    ===================================
    is this the Character of God that he didnt Guard any of the previously sent books,(1024 prophets and 343 messangers).
    Defntly i believe God’s character is not of this Type,and yahweh is trustWorthy.

    So with the above criteria Sura Al-ikhlas suits yahweh but Not Allah.isnt not?

  10. Alioune says:

    May Peace be on you !

    Sorry for responding so late!
    You mentioned Surah Ikhlas, here is a little translation:
    Say He is Allah Unique, the One
    He is As-Samad ( As-Samad means the One everybody needs and He needs no one)
    He does not beget, and He is not begotten
    And no one is equal to Him.

    It seems you don’t read my last post. Where did I say that muslim don’t believe in previous prophets(Peace be Upon Them)?
    In fact, it’s a part of being muslim to believe in them, like God says in Surah 2 verses 2-4:

    2. This is the scripture in which there is no doubt, containing guidance for those who are mindful of God, 3. who believe in the unseen, keep up the Salat, and give out of what We have provided for them
    4. Those who believe in the revelation sent down to you [Muhammad], and in what was sent before you, those who have firm faith in the Hereafter.

    Like you read it above, no one is a true muslim if he doesn’t believe in the previous revelation.

    Personally i am not interest in fighting with christians, saying rude things each other and so on. Just say to you that our God send a last and final message to all mankind, and ask us to act upon it, be sure everyone who has lived in the face of this earth will meet him and will be asked about his deeds in this life: whether he followed The Guidance from Him or not.
    Our goal in life is to get ready for this meeting.
    Here are some verses in which we all can reflect and ponder. If there is any mistake, it’s from me and not from Allah. May Peace be on you.

    59:21 If We had sent this Qur’an down to a mountain, you would have seen it humbled and split apart in its awe of God– We offer people such illustrations so that they may reflect
    59:22 He is The God : other than whom there is no deity, Knower of the unseen and the witnessed. He is the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.
    59: 23 He is The God: other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him.
    59:24 He is The God , the Creator, the Inventor, the Fashioner; to Him belong the best names. Whatever is in the heavens and earth is exalting Him. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

    3:2 Allah – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of existence.
    3:3 He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was sent before it.And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

    3:59 Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, “Be,” and he was.
    3:60 The truth is from your Lord, so do not be among the doubters.

    4:171 O People of the Scripture(christians), do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

    5:110 [The Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, “This is not but obvious magic.”

    5:116 And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
    5:117 I said not to them except what You commanded me – to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.

    19:88 And they say, “The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son.”
    19:89 How terrible is this thing you assert
    19:90 it almost causes the heavens to be torn apart, the earth to split asunder, the mountains to crumble to pieces
    19:91 That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.
    19:92 It does not benefit the Lord of Mercy [to have offspring].

  11. Analyze says:

    To Alioune,

    You first of All didnt understand the beliefs of Christians.I dont know how come Quran,claimed to be a revelation from God when its understanding regarding christian beliefs is wrong.

    QURAN CLAIMS THAT::
    1.Christians believe that jesus is the begotten Son of God Literally.
    Answer:Begotten if taken literally means that two opposite sex persons become one,and produce offspring.
    But we doesn’t believe that God is male,also we dont believe that he become one with some one to produce offspring.not even we believe that he has begotten with mary.

    So how the Quran is confirming that we believe that Jesus is begotten Son of God literally?

    We believe Jesus is God’s own power,strength,wisdom and Word.
    Isaiah 59:16
    16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his ARM brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
    Isaiah : 40:10
    10Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his ARM shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
    Jeremiah 10:12
    12He hath made the earth by his POWER, he hath established the world by his WISDOM, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
    1 Cor 1:24
    24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

    So we believe Jesus is the intrinsic Power of the very God and hence he is completely God in nature who claimed to do all the things Father can do in john 5:19 which no mere creature can claim.

    2.Christians associate partners with God and mary is third of three.
    Answer::I dont understand this,as not even a single christian believes Mary is God and we dont worship her.And also as discussed above,we dont see jesus outside of Godhead but intrinsic power of the very God.So how did we associate partners?We believe jesus is Jehovah,and hence we worship him as he himself said in John5:23
    23 That all men should honour the Son, just as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

    We are to honor Jesus as how we honor father,where no mere creature or a just prophet claims.

    Aren’t these claims by Quran an utter false beliefs?Also you personally have wrong picture of christian beliefs as you believe Quran is the Word of the same God.

    • Alioune says:

      May Peace be on you !
      Well, I was born and have been raised in a country where 35% to 40% of the population are christians, plus I have did my primary school and high school in a christian school, by that i knew many christians, and believe it or not, they say that jesus is the begotten son. It’s not because, you don’t have that belief, or the community you are a part of don’t, does not mean the Quran is wrong. Actually, you are the first christian to tell me that jesus is not the begotten son. They also said that mary is a part of three, and she is the mother of God, and God also. I repeat, that is not because you don’t believe in it,that no other christians in the rest of the world don’t have that wrong belief.
      The Quran says:
      19:88 And they say, “The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son.”
      19:89 How terrible is this thing you assert
      19:90 it almost causes the heavens to be torn apart, the earth to split asunder, the mountains to crumble to pieces
      19:91 That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.
      19:92 It does not benefit the Lord of Mercy [to have offspring].

      You say that jesus is not God and after you say that jesus is Jehovah. But Jehovah is the hebrew name for God. I didn’t get this point, can you make it more clear please? and, don’t you believe in the trinity ?
      When you say: “[...] as you believe Quran is the Word of the same God” , do you mean there is another god out there? or multiple gods? or the One Who sent Abraham, Noe, Moses, Jesus,[...], is not the One who sent Muhammad ? (Peace be Upon them all)

      Making partners with God is to give a right of God to anyone or anything beside Him. Praising someone in a way that only God deserves is making partner with Him. When you change the name of something but still doing the same thing doesn’t change the thing. The fact and the matter is making partners with God, is making partner with God, you can call it whatever you want, or creating a concept that allows you to do so, by the end of the day, it’s making partner with God. Agree with it or not.

      The Quran says :
      5:110 [The Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, “This is not but obvious magic.”

      5:116 And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
      5:117 I said not to them except what You commanded me – to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.

      You say that Quran is not the word of God because the claims it does about christianity doesn’t fit with your vision of christianity?? And if it was not the word of God why it mentions Jesus, Abraham, Noe, Lot, Adam, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, Jonah and plenty other prophets (Peace be Upon them all)? On that time, Arabs with literally bedouins in the desert. The vast majority of them didn’t know how to read and write. And they didn’t know about Jesus and all these prophets. If the Quran is not the word of God, how is this possible?
      The Quran mentions the story of previous nation in order for us to draw lessons, not to fall into sins they did for example homosexuality for the people of Lot, idole worshipping for the people of Noe or Abraham, exaggerating the status of a prophet for the people of Jesus, but to take benefit from how these prophets deal with their community, how they behave,…, in order for us to be better muslims.

      Have you study the Quran? The scientific facts just discover nowadays but mentioned in it 1400 years before? The story of prophets who were unknown of the arabs on that time? The grammar and the eloquence of the langage? The precision and the fairness in that speech? And so on and so for …

      Really have you study the Quran before saying it’s not the word of God? It’s the least you can do.

      May Peace be on you.

  12. Analyze says:

    Alioune,

    Can you please first of all get me a clarification from any christian in the world who believes that God begets.If you believe so, ask any christian with whom the God begat and please let me know.

    Also Quran is able to distinguish between Christians and Jews.
    But its Catholics who worship mary,not the Christians.Not even a single christian in the world believes that Jesus beget or else Mary is the God.if you believe this so ,please ask any christian in the world who believed mary is God and they worship mary and please let me know.

    Associating partners comes into the category of tritheism.Not even a single christian believes there are three separate Gods.Instead ONE god in three persons.
    As i already quoted you the Verses,stating that Jesus is the Intrinsic power of the very God and he is completely God and hence we call jesus as jehovah,but he not a person outside of god’s intrinsic eternal being.So this is not associating partners as we does not believe Jesus is outside of God.

    Isaiah 59:16
    16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his ARM brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
    Isaiah : 40:10

    John 14:6 iam the way,the truth and the Life.no one comes unto father but except thru me.

    here Jehovah God the Son is the mediator for Jehovah God the father.
    but Jesus is not outside Godhead and hence not a partner like Vishnu,Shiva,Brahma.

    What is the Proof that the revelation Muhammad received is from Almighty God?is this angel from God or from any other source?
    Because the God of the bible said that my words will stand for ever and all the 66 books are in complete harmony in all the doctrine.But when we see its only the Quran which is completely differing.
    I have read the major part of the Quran and initially before reading it ,i thought its the same God who revealed.But when i read the Quran,its totally different.its like a war between christians and Muslims.How can it be if its from the same God.Also Quran demands to throw all the previous prophet books,which i dont believe God of this nature or type,that he did not though fit to preserve.This is making God very cheap and its an insult for God for you to say that he allowed guarding of only Quran.

  13. Pawakka Jobe says:

    You two will go a long way in this debate and benefit people a lot if you stick to facts and dispense with negative emotions. Keep up the healthy debate

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